Gady H.

asked • 10/23/12

why cant you divide by zero, wont it just be zero?

my teacher asked this but i dont know why you cant divide by zero

Rich H.

While zero shows up at the end of 10, 20, 30..etc it has a value there. But zero alone is not a true number..in my opinion because zero is the absence of value. Alone its not a number but the absence of a number and a place holder on the number line.

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11/13/12

Robert C.

Rich, are you saying zero is not a number? I strongly disagree. Not only is zero a number, it is one of the most important numbers, perhaps THE most important. 

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11/13/12

Kevin C.

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zero is the answer to the sum of a number and its additive inverse.  In other words, the definition of an additive inverse is a + (-a) = 0

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01/04/13

Joel D.

I wish you could "like" these comments, because if I could, I would "like" Robert's.

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02/08/13

Tai W.

Gady, you teacher asks a good question. Imagine, if you decide to give something that you separate easily. Got that? Now let's say there were it could be split into parts where where each person got one. This makes sense when you are dealing with whole persons right. But it does not make sense when there are zero persons. This is what Math teachers will call undefined. Take for example

  • if it is for tow people, you divide that in half,
  • one person you give the whole thing,
  • so for zero people, what do you do?

Well you can't give any portion sense you don't know what portion to give for zero and it can't be the whole thing or a portion of it, so they determined long ago to agree this is undefined (not define).

So if anyone asks, what do you get when you divide by zero, just say the Math people said it is undefined or not defined. They will say back, that is good or 

I could never do it either. Tai (the Math guy)

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02/16/13

Tai W.

Pardon the misspelled word tow versus two. The spelling auto-corrected and there is no edit button once you post. Just be aware of that when you add your answers. And watch your grammar, since the editing application is not here for a complete system for grace and mercy towards us tutors.

I am a Math Major from Cal Poly SLO town and enjoy working with youth and adults and even poking a little fun at our circumstances. Math, learning and life should be a fun experience for the student and the mentor.

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Linghong C. answered • 10/23/12

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Rizul N.

I particularly like this explanation. It is short, simple, and correct. There is enough explanation for a student to learn what they need to learn and continue onto discovering more about this problem later in calculus when limits are dealt with more theoretically. 

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12/24/12

Kevin S. answered • 10/23/12

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Arthur S.

Dividing each side by zero in itself is undefined for each side! You cannot use this rational for concluding that 0 x 6 / 0 = 6???

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10/23/12

Dennis S.

Arthur, Give Kevin a little poetic license! I was a little startled at first to see that as well, until I reviewed the qualifier "for the sake of argument" and "let's assume."  That covers a lot of hypothetical territory, and gives the explanation a solid example to disprove. I try to avoid using "cannot" with students, as it sets up a poor mental achievement environment.  I even consider the book explanation of dividing by zero to be prefaced with something like,
"Well, you CAN divide by zero all day, but any answer you get won't do you much good, because it is not any distinctive value, and therefore it is undefined."  

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Charles S. answered • 10/29/12

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George B.

Good, sequential logical response.
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11/09/12

Charles S.

Thanks George. I think a kid who asks this question is trying to find the words to ask this question: I think I conceptually understand addition, subtraction, multiplication and sometimes division. I get how dividing 10 apples into 1 pile gives me 10 apples. But what I don't understand is dividing by a number les than 1 (in absolute value). If I understood that, I think I'd get why you can't really divide by zero.
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11/13/12

Kevin C.

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Here is another idea -- 8/2 also means how many times can you subtract 2 from 8 to get to 0.  

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Jeremy C. answered • 03/24/13

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Michael B. answered • 11/12/12

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Kristoffer H.

Michael, "Without going to the unnecessary point of considering advanced mathematics (calculus and beyond), division is just asking the question...." This is a great answer and the first paragraph pretty much summs up this discussion LOL
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Tony K. answered • 10/23/12

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Kristoffer H. answered • 02/18/13

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Kristoffer H.

I will add this; if you really want to understand math find a way to use it in conjunction with electronics, physics, or chemistry, and questioins like these can be more expansive in class discussions.
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02/18/13

Daniel O.

Kristoffer, good comment but I'd argue you're not 100% correct - the reason an electric current does not flow when there is no load, has nothing to do with the electricity "knowing" whether or not there's a load.

It's due to the resistance of air being too high (and the voltage too low) for a current to pass through it - connecting a wire greatly lowers this resistance and offers a viable path for current to flow. Current will always take the path of least resistance. 

Increase the voltage high enough, and it'll be high enough to ionize a path through the air, and a current will flow to the nearest low-resistance object (ie you'll essentially create a spark).

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03/17/13

Daniel O.

Essentially from V = IR, or I = V/R... if R is very large compared to V, then I is very close to zero. 

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03/17/13

Tai W. answered • 02/16/13

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Bill F. answered • 01/08/13

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Michael B.

Infinity is NOT the same as "undefined".  

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Corey B. answered • 01/04/13

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Robert C. answered • 10/23/12

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Michael B.

I'm curious to know what branches of mathematics you are referring to.

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11/13/12

Robert C.

Michael, division of a non-zero complex number by zero is defined as complex infinity, though this is only slightly different from saying it is undefined.

Some implementations of interval arithmetic define 1/0 as infinity.


I think there is at least one other branch but the name escapes me at the moment.

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11/13/12

Michael B.

Interval arithmetic - not heard of it previously, but looking it up, I can certainly understand why they define 1/0 as infinity...    If I'm reading right, they actually  define 1/[a,0] as [-8, 1/a] and 1/[0,a] as [1/a, 8] which makes perfect sense given that we are working with boundaries instead of specific numbers.  However, in my admittedly novice opinion, this is more a consequence of the range-bound nature of this type of math than any deviation from the commonly held interpretations of what it means to divide by 0.  Still, a very interesting read - thanks for the tip!

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11/13/12

Michael B.

yeah ok...  FYI for some reason, this silly editor turned my infinities in to 8's.  sorry!  just read all of the 8's as infinity.

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11/13/12

Charles S.

Ok, well I've sort of decided that I like the idea that 1/0 is infinity better than that you can't do it after reading this and thinking about it some more, but here's my question:

You said let's assume we have this number such that X/0 = Y.  And so that means we have found a multiplicative inverse for 0 right? So does that mean that 5*0/0 is the same thing as 4*0/0 or does it mean that

5/0 * Y = 5 and 4/0 * Y = 4?

 

 

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11/14/12

Michael B.

Charles, the statement "X/0=Y" does NOT imply that we have found a multiplicative inverse for 0, even under the assumption that we could divide by zero, because a multiplicative inverse of a number is that which when multiplied by the number results in 1, not just any number X.

Robert's answer is trying to show that dividing leads to contradictions in basic math.  He tries to do this by assuming that 0/0 = 1 (as this is true for every other non-zero number: A/A = 1), thus resulting in the absurd result that 4=5.  Since this is clearly not true, the assumption that led to this result, namely that 0/0 = 1, must be false.

Bottom line: 0/0 is undefined.  You can say that any non-zero number divided by 0 is positive or negative infinity, and that's ok if you are trying to get a basic handle on it, but even that isn't the true answer.

 

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11/14/12

Allan G.

Now I realize this is a very elementary explaination for why you can not divide by zero but if you go back to the elementary school explaination of fractions then this is what you get. Lets assume we have a pie to be cut up then what does 1/2 mean : that pie is to be cut up into two (equal) parts and 1/2 says you have one of those two parts.  1/0 would mean you have a pie that is cut up into zero parts and you have one of those parts. The zero denominator would deny the existence of the pie and that contradicts something that we know is true (there is a pie to be cut up) therefore we can not divide by zero. :o)

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Daniel D. answered • 10/24/12

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Robert C.

Almost.

If X is a function of Y (X(Y) = f(Y)) then it is possible that Lim Y->0 X/Y is not positive infinity. For example, let X= e-Y-1. The limit would evaluate to the indeterminate form 0/0. In this case, using L’Hopital’s rule gives us 0 as the final answer.

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10/24/12

Michael B.

Actually, for your example, L'Hopital would give us a result of -1, because d/dY (e-Y - 1) = -e-Y.  Thus,:

lim Y->0 (e-Y - 1) / Y = lim Y->0 -e-Y / 1 = -e-0 = -1.

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11/12/12

Matthias H.

That's not correct, as you can't do this if you try to divide 0/Y for y->0, you actually have a limit. If you want to use higher mathematics, the reason is simply that 0 is not part of the multiplicative group of the real numbers, which might not be too helpful in this forum.

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12/19/12

Cheryl M. answered • 10/23/12

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Charles S.

I can't believe you have 4 dislikes. Your answer is great. I'm a middle school kid who wants to get math but every time I raise my hand my teacher responds by invoking theoretical limits and using words like indeterminate, and then I feel some air of condescension coming on so I nod my head sheepishly and allow him to move on with class. Finally, someone answered the question I wanted to ask but couldn't find the words for. And now that I understand, I can articulate my actual question. Here goes: I get addition, subtraction and multiplication. And when we are talking about whole numbers, I get division too. But what I don't understand is dividing by fractions, can you help explain that to me a little more.
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11/13/12

Michael B.

Charles (and Cheryl):

You certainly should not be put off by over-handed answers.  If your teacher can't explain a concept clearly enough, you have every right to ask someone else.  I applaud you for doing so.

I suspect the 'dislikes' are due to the fact that she characterized "zero" as "nothing" in much the same way that Rich H did in the comments to the question (at the top).  However, Zero most definitely is a "something".  

Even worse, the statement "...thereby leaving nothing left" is an exceptionally misleading statement, because it implies that the remainder of the division is what matters, not the divisor.  Although it may be a "clear" answer that is understandable, it is certainly not a good one.  (Apologies to Cheryl.)

As for your question regarding fractions, you should post it as a separate question and you will get much better response.

 

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11/13/12

Charles S.

Ok but I think the tutor's job is to figure out what a kid is actually asking and answer that question. If a kid gets limits, then he would never ask this question.
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11/13/12

Michael B.

Certainly agree, and that's what I try to do...   Take a look at my answer above - I answer the question using nothing but addition and counting.  

But to provide an answer that is "right for the wrong reasons" is not a good plan, and I will never condone it.

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Arthur S. answered • 10/23/12

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Sue H. answered • 11/12/12

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Michael B.

Sue, it is not true that you can do 0/0.  This is what is known as an "indeterminate form", and although in Calculus we can determine the limit near this point, it still doesn't obtain a defined value.  The best answer for 0/0, like any other number divided by 0, is "undefined".

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