Yassi E.

asked • 08/30/24

expected value question

Phil is told there are 3 aces and 3 kings in a pile of cards. In each turn, a card is drawn without replacement, and Phil earns $1 if he guesses the drawn card correctly. Phil plays 6 turns following the optimal strategy. How much money should Phil expect to earn?

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David B. answered • 09/09/24

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James S.

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This solution is difficult to follow and seems to be on shaky ground. Why, for instance, does "reverse logic" need to be used?
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09/09/24

David B.

reverse logic does not need to be used but since it is obvious that the last card drawn must be known once 5 cards have been drawn the solution for the last draw is obvious (prob of correct guess =1, win = $1) Working backward from that is a way to avoid the method of possible outcomes used in the 'forward' method. Doing analysis is not always done from front to back, going from last to first is also an option. I left the 4th step for the student to get the student to think things thru. The 'forward' method is just conditional probability. First determine an optimum guess, then determine the probability of each of two outcomes. Next step then does the same but starts with 2 different possible starting cards (conditions). The third is even worse with 4 different starting sets. Here we can use simplifying assumptions and talk about 'one' card vs 'another' , meaning selected or not. This way the combinations of cards which are mirror images (2A and 3K vs 2K and 3A) can be treated as one combination for ease of calculation. If it is hard to imagine, one can still do the 'long' method of calculating for each possible starting setup of cards at each step. The use of simplifying assumptions in math is quite common. The results are correct, the methods are all rigorous, just different complexity. Check James S. He used a long method for all possible outcomes and calculated the expected winnings and came up with the same value.
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09/11/24

James S.

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I am James S. I know what I said, and I used an intelligent method for solving this. You answers are gibberish.
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09/11/24

James S.

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Apparently, you are not familiar with Godel's Incompleteness Theorem, which states that not everything that is true can be proven. So your statement that "correct answers have a proof of their own" is false.
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09/09/24

David B.

by the way my undergraduate text in probability listed three different basic interpretations of probability. 1. Classical probability 2. Empirical or relative frequency probability 3. Subjective probability Apparently you didn't even learn the most basic of courses. Which is becoming more and more obvious.
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09/11/24

Ross M. answered • 08/30/24

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David B.

This result would only be true for independent draws using none of the information gained from knowing what previous draws were (note draws are supposed to be without replacement and known to participant)
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09/09/24

Ross M.

Yes, you are absolutely right. Thank you.
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09/09/24

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