Ari F.

asked • 03/14/22

Solving for range with Arc Length Integral

I encountered an interesting problem beyond my skill level, which is this


SOLVE FOR b


L = ∫ab √(1+(2wx)2) dx


In which I need to solve for b, but I don't know how to do that yet.

If anyone can help I'd greatly appreciate it :D!


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Ari F.

So to solve for b Evaluate so, L= (1)/(2w) ln|\sqrt(1+(2wb)^(2))+2wb|- (1)/(2w)ln|\sqrt(1+(2wa)^(2))+2wa| For simplicity sake lets call the eval of a ---> a[], then L=1/2w ln |sqrt(1+(2wb)^2)+2wb| - a[] So then L + a[] = ... 2w(L+a[]) = ln |...| Now write in exponential form e^(2w(L+a[])) = sqrt(1+(2wb)^2)+2wb But here I am stuck again because of the square root how would I solve for b? Do I do this? sqrt(1+(2wb)^2)+2wb - e^(2w(L+a[])) = 0 And do some polynomial magic?
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03/14/22

JACQUES D.

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Argh! I really hamburgered this one. I misread the problem. Your problem reduces to 1/2w sec^3 dx. You can look it up, but it's worse and it includes the terms I derived. Sorry. I used Wolfram alpha and you go from the trig functions to inverse hyberbolic sine and a xsqrt(x^2+1) term. This will not be solvable explicitly for b. Are you sure about the equation?
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03/14/22

Ari F.

Nevermind I got it if I say that u=e^(2w(L+a[]) then b = (+/-) (1-u^2) / (4wu) Thank you very much :D!
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03/14/22

JACQUES D.

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Yes but I did the wrong integral. See above.
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03/14/22

Ari F.

For some reason your response hadn't shown up by the time I wrote and submitted that sorry about that. Yes the idea is very interesting, what I want is to take a given length of the parabola wx^2=y where w is a constant I am programming for width of the parabola, and from a known starting point a I want to find the end point b after traversing the length of the line. My reasoning was to then use the arc length integral formula and solve for the range so L = int a-b (sqrt(1+(dx/dy)^2)) dx
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03/14/22

Ari F.

So the equation should be correct as dx/dy of wx^2 is 2wx. In the program w is a known constant but changes all the time as it is dependent on some things, so does the starting point and the length, which is why I need to solve it algebraically in their variable forms to have a formula I can then input to the program using those variables and calculating accordingly. If there's any mistake let me know
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03/14/22

JACQUES D.

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dy/dx, but you have the correct equation. You can Google at length parabola to see the equation for w=1 I believe that 2 is 2w and 4 is 4 w^2. Solving for b explicitly is not possible. You'd have to program a numerical technique like Newton's method on f(z) = L- Int to find the 0s. You would need the evaluation of the integral from a to z and the derivative of the integral is just the integrand. You'd get an accurate value in 3 or 4 iterations. N.M. z(I+1) = z(I) - f(I)/f'(I) where I is the iteration. Good luck!
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03/14/22

JACQUES D.

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Arc length
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03/14/22

Jimmy C.

Very nice answer. Thanks for sharing
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03/14/22

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