Jonnie M.

asked • 02/27/15

Find the original fraction

The numerator of a fraction is 1 less than the denominator. If the numerator and the denominator are both increased by 4, the new fraction will be 1/8 more than the original fraction. What is the original fraction. (I haven't used the quadratic formula because my teacher doesn't want us to use it yet, so try not to use it in the method for finding the solution)

Jonnie M.

Michael-your explanation is really helpful, but wouldn't it have to be [(x - 1 + 4 ) / (x + 4)] = [(x - 1) / x) - (1/8)] because the original is 1/8 less than the new one? Would the solving process be different?
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02/28/15

Michael J.

As long as you set your initial variables and the equation using those variables as stated in the problem correctly, the processes will be the same.  The only difference here is that I set my denominator to be x, while Will set his numerator to be x or rather n.  Because of this, our variables are alternated, but does not change the logic that the numerator is less than the denominator.  In addition, both of our equations are the same.  Will just move all of the terms with variables to one side of the equation a few steps earlier than I did in my equation.  Compare both Will's and my answers, and you will see the similarities.  As proof of this, we ultimately came to a common solution which is  3/4.
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Jonnie M.

I understand that, however I was referring to the fact that you used a + as opposed to a minus sign in the equation. Shouldn't it be a +?
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Michael J.

If you are referring to polynomial when set to zero, I chose a positive because it is easier to factor as two binomials when your x2 term is positive. 
 
If you are referring to my solution of x, I chose the positive value because when I substitute the positive value, I get a fraction of lesser value than that when I substitute the negative solution of x. Naturally, you would pick the positive value of x.  You can also plug in both values of x, to check whether it makes the original equation equal on both sides.
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02/28/15

Michael J.

I want to add one more thing.
 
When you plug in the values, you will have two fractions.  When you choose the positive value, you end up with a fraction of 3/4.  This fraction has a numerator that is less than the denominator.  When you plug in the negative value, you end up with a fraction of -9/-8.  Taking out the negatives, you obtain 9/8.  This fraction DOES NOT have a numerator that is less than the denominator.
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Jonnie M.

Thank you. That was what I was looking for. This is my last question. In the second step "using some algebra we obtain..." what did you multiply each term (meaning formula on each respective side of the = sing) by. Was it 8x (because if so, how did you get the additional "+x" on the right side of the = sign in [(x + 3) / (x + 4)] = [(8x - 8 + x) / 8x]. Also, thanks so much for the help because it's really important that I get this one and no one else could help me.
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Michael J.

I focused on the right side of the equation first.  On that side, we have a sum of fractions.  I just rewrote the fraction with a LCD. The LCD is 8x.  I ended up with a fraction of [8(x - 1) / 8x] + [x / 8x].  Now we can add the fractions since the denominators are the same.  We end with
 
(8x - 8 + x) / 8x  =
 
(9x - 8) / 8x
 
After this step, we set the equation as
 
(x + 3) / (x + 4) = (9x - 8) / 8x
 
Next we cross multiply, obtaining
 
8x(x + 3) = (x + 4)(9x - 8)
 
 
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