Dick C.

asked • 02/26/13

how do we use algebra in the real life

how do we use algebra in real life? to me its just a waste of time. teach us how to pay our bills, write a check, buy a home, manage our money. im tiered of trying to find your X algebra and i dont know Y either!!!!

Jeff J.

All these metaphors are wonderful. 
With that being said, here's the missing factor to your equation. I'm 40 years old. Most of the people I've talked with about this subject say the same thing. They never understood what the point was if you rarely use this in a literal sense. 
I propose a compromise. Why not get them to algebra II then switch gears and actually give them some real life 'algebra' situations. Put their minds to the test, but make the tests geared towards every day things most people don't learn enough about before getting out of school. Like how to get a mortgage, build good credit, change a dead car battery or a flat tire, save money using algebra in a grocery store... It's the same old draconian dribble with an added bonus of PACKETS and oh yeah 40 year olds know what I mean when I say lattice. How do we help our children do their homework when the process to complete the mathematical equation is completely different on paper now. The answer is the same but the kids get told it's wrong if it's not done the new way? Pythagoras would be disappointed.
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03/12/15

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Ellen S. answered • 10/09/13

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Shannon C.

I know this post is over a year old, but I feel compelled to reply, to Give praise. your explanation, Ms. Ellen S. From Pittsburg,PA Is the most eloquent, articulative, illuminating definition that I have ever heard and I have friends who are Math professors and hold PHD's in Mathematic's. Your ability to simplify and refine the purpose of algebra was ingenious. i think if more kids had teachers like you, then kids would be able to conceptualize Alegbra in a whole new way, and probably be more motivated and invested into tackling it.!
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11/21/14

Ellen S.

Thank you so much for the kind words!  I really appreciate comments like yours; it's so easy to fall into a routine in your teaching and not really know whether your ideas are hitting home or not.  I'm glad they resonate with you!
 
This question actually prompted me to write a whole blog post about a situation in my own life where I used my algebra skills to problem solve; you can find it over on my WyzAnt Blog page: http://www.wyzant.com/resources/blogs/241993/a_few_thoughts_on_why_we_learn_algebra
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03/12/15

Shannon C.

I fully agree that we need Algebra.. Algebra is money and mortgages and checking accounts and paycheck information.  But why Algebra II  for people who hate math and have no interest talent or desire for a math related field.  I threw up at the sight of fetal pigs and frog insides and did not take biology.. they were just in jars in the room where I took Ecology.  I and am a member of PETA but high school biology teachers tried desperately to tell me how much I would need the skills I would have learned there.  I am fifty now and have yet to regret my lack of scalpel skills.  I've been an accountant and have my own real estate management business.  I've been a restaurant manager and worked in retail.  I worked in IT supporting 35000 users on the admin side and even did some development and I now have a 17 year old who is struggling in Algebra II and I can't help him because I have not had need of even one of the principles he's learning since I was in high school myself.  his grades in classes like English, and science are falling and I defy anyone to tell me he won't be using English in his chosen profession.  person finance is an elective even though he has a bank account right now.  Why put kids through the theoretical maths and exclude actual practical information.  I can quote the kids in my life examples of times when Algebra and geometry were key to solving a real life problem but not one for Algebra II.  My husband has been in IT for 30 years straight as a highly sought after developer and network topographer/administrator  and he is struggling to remember back to high school so that he can help our teenager with a subject that he has also never used in his adult life.   My uncle works on designing missiles for the military and he actually uses this.  As I poll my friends and family, I have oncology nurse, doctors, RN, hairdressers, teachers (not math), entertainers, network administrators, veterinary assistants and vets, lawyers, restaurateurs, labor relations specialists etc. and the main reason FOR the higher maths in High school that I keep hearing are "it teaches you problems solving skills.  I feel that if we teach kids algebra I and geometry we have covered all the mathematical problem solving they need AND maybe we'll have time for problem solving skills that do NOT depend on math.. Not all logic is number related.  There is logic and problem solving involved in grammar and logical strategy to be learned in History.  By over doing math, we are slighting situational logic and problem solving that will be much more useful.  Mathematical problem solving is linear thinking.  the lateral thinking "outside the box" doesn't come from math problems.  It is taught in History, Science and English.  I think that's how we get the stereotype of the nerdy intellectual with zero "street smarts"  The pattern of thought that makes a person good at math also tends to exclude them from common sense.   
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09/24/15

Zach A.

I absolutely agree with much of what you're saying here Shannon. I too have been a small business owner as well as been employed in a number of managerial positions. Not once have used Algebra. If I was required to solve a particularly complex mathematical problem, I did it long hand. Either way it got done- with the correct answer.
In the meantime, my grandson is about to become a sophomore in college. He was required to take Algebra in his freshman year. Now he's required to take yet another Algebra course in his sophomore year.
 
I'm perplexed. When I look back, I realize that he's been taking Algebra in some form or another since he was in 4th grade.  With that in mind I pulled out my college transcript thinking I was "mis-remembering" the Algebra I took. Nope! Not a single Algebra class in 4 years of college. While I know there are many careers that need the higher level maths, most don't. Which makes me wonder if this is more of a financial windfall for colleges rather than a practical one.
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07/15/16

Adam T.

I don't know if anybody is seeing this several years later, but no matter. If she sees this, I hope Ellen S. doesn't take this personally, because it's not meant personally, it's meant as a criticism of the teaching of Algebra II in high school. The argument made by Ellen S. is not an argument original to her, it's the standard argument of those who defend the status quo in high school math teaching. Again, not to make it personal, but those who make this argument haven't actually turned this around in their heads. The argument is 'it teaches logic.' There are two problems with this: 1.It doesn't teach logic, at best, it attempts to teach logic. That's a big difference. Does algebra II actually succeed in doing this? Claims aside from people like Ellen S. I don't believe there are is any scientific research that shows that algebra II actually does this. People who make this argument are assuming that it does, but an assumption is not evidence. 2,Again turning the problem around: is Algebra II the best way to teach logic/problem solving? Would more practical maths like probability and statistics or even straight logic courses (like symbolic logic) or broader 'critical thinking' courses accomplish the same thing or better (since we don't actually know that Algebra II does teach logical thinking to most students.)? The arguments in defence of the Algebra II status quo don't even begin to address this. If this were all that there was, it would maybe not be a big deal. Many students would be frustrated for a couple years in high school and wrongly believe they 'can't do math' but they'd still graduate and get over it (though continuing to wrongly believe they 'cant' do math.') However, again turing the problem around, there are problems with the teaching of Algebra II at both the micro (individual) and the macro level (the U.S as a whole.) Micro: there are many students who are shut out or have their abilities to attend college limited simply because they did not get high enough grades in Algebra II, even if they want to take college courses that don't require math and would excel in courses and then in careers that don't require math. This is an enormous waste of potential. 2.Macro: the teaching of Algebra II through requiring students to learn formulas for abstract mathematics and then plug numbers into and manipulate those formulas rather than having the students learn the concepts first results in a large failure rate and turns many students into believing they 'can't do math.' I've said that above. The harm at the national level is that many students who would likely excel in STEM courses incorrectly believe they 'can't do math' and don't go on to take STEM courses. This has resulted in the United States relying on immigration for about half of the STEM jobs for many years now. I personally don't have any problem with immigration, but STEM immigrants have been more and more reluctant to immigrate to the United States for at least 7-8 years now resulting in companies that are significant for sustaining economic growth being short of employees. If people truly learned problem solving skills from Algebra (or more specifically Algebra II) they'd understand how the lack or workers for industries that sustain economic growth will 'exponentially grow' as a problem.
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Ellen W. answered • 02/26/13

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THANK YOU TOM M. !!!!!!!!!  This is by far and away, the best answer to the question of "what is algebra." I have been asking this question since I was in 7th grade. I am now a retired school teacher. You have put my mind at ease. Thank you so very much be giving this question the time and thought it took to creatively put this out for the masses to read!
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