Aanchal C.

asked • 06/19/15

probability help required please..

seven digit number  from the digits   1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9  are written in a random  order .The probability that this seven digit number is divisible by 9 is?

 

  1. 1/9
  2. 1/3
  3. 1/5
  4. 2/9

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David W.

Arthur, THX so much for this understandable, straight-forward math-type solution!  This morning, I have re-addressed the problem (because of Stephanie's comment) and had everything except the sets of numbers that could not add to a multiple of 9 (my computer actually counted them, but I could not find the formula).
 
Also, the problem obviously intended one-use of the selected digits.  But I found that multiple/no - use also gave 1/9 probability.  Can you explain that in math terms ???   Here is the frequency table:
Sum  Frequency
1   0
2   0
3   0
4   0
5   0
6   0
7   1
8   7
9   28
10   84
11   210
12   462
13   924
14   1716
15   3003
16   4998
17   7959
18   12180
19   17976
20   25662
21   35526
22   47796
23   62601
24   79926
25   99582
26   121191
27   144186
28   167826
29   191226
30   213402
31   233331
32   250026
33   262626
34   270466
35   273127
36   270466
37   262626
38   250026
39   233331
40   213402
41   191226
42   167826
43   144186
44   121191
45   99582
46   79926
47   62601
48   47796
49   35526
50   25662
51   17976
52   12180
53   7959
54   4998
55   3003
56   1716
57   924
58   462
59   210
60   84
61   28
62   7
63   1
64   0
 
The probability is   531441 / 4782969   is still 1/9.      So, the counters were o.k., but the rationale needs revision.
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06/20/15

Arthur D.

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Hi David,
            Here's my rationale for your answer of 531,441/4,782,969=1/9. Some of it is speculation. First of all there are 9^7=4,782,969 7-digit numbers with repetition. From 1,111,111 to 9,999,999 there are 8,888,889 numbers. Some of these numbers have zeroes in one or more places and can't be used.  I'm assuming that there are 4,105,920 of these numbers because 8,888,889-4,105,920=4,782,969 !! I can't prove this; it's just speculation. My computer doesn't have a programming language on it. The next thing I did was write out 1,111,111, 1,111,112, 1,111,113 and so on and find the sums of the digits.  Every nine consecutive-number sums will have one sum divisible by 9. Therefore, 4,782,969/9=531,441. If it could be proved that there are 4,105,920 numbers with zeroes that can't be used, then this reasoning would probably be valid.
Arthur D.
 
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06/21/15

David W.

THX, Arthur.

As you wrote, “… there are 9^7=4,782,969  7-digit numbers with repetition.” These numbers have digits from the set {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} [ note: no zeros included; repetition allowed].  I easily can think of this as a base-9 number system using !@#$%^&*(  as the digits. So, numbers range from !,!!!,!!! to (,(((,((( and there are (,(((,((( [base 9] or 4,782,969 [base 10] of them.   Also, my computer program had variables going from 1 to 9 in 7 nested loops [no zeros] and then checked whether the sum of the digits was evenly divisible by 9 [all in decimal].

THE REST WAS EASY!  Thinking about your comment, I realize that the value of (NUMBER MOD 9) cycles repeatedly and forms a uniform probability distribution.  [p.s., also for fun, my computer verified it as 9 sets of 531,441 in only a few seconds.]  There are 1/base of these values with a frequency of netrange/base for each remainder.

--d.w.
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06/21/15

David W.

Errata:    There are [ numberbase ] of these values with a frequency of netrange/numberbase for each remainder.
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06/21/15

David W. answered • 06/19/15

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Stephanie M.

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Considering the sums ranging from (7)(1) = 7 to (7)(9) = 63, you'll actually have 57 possible sums, not 63. 7 of the sums are multiples of 9, but 7/57 doesn't give you the correct answer because you definitely do need to determine the frequency of each sum.
 
For example, if I'm interested in how many numbers have digits summing to 7, your method will give me 1/57. Using your method, that's the same proportion as the numbers with digits summing to 8: 1/57. However, there's only one number that sums to 7 (1,111,111) and there are seven that sum to 8 (1,111,112; 1,111,121; 1,111,211; etc.). And neither one number nor seven numbers represents 1/57th of the total possible numbers.
 
The fact that you must consider the frequency of each sum makes this a much much harder problem (which you would definitely want to use a computer to solve!). That's why I think it's likely (although the question is ambiguous) that the question doesn't want to allow repetition of digits. Meira's answer, which ignores repetition, is probably the one the teacher's looking for.
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06/19/15

Meira P. answered • 06/19/15

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David W.

Wow!  I voted, did you?  Actually, if I had thought that your answer was better than mine, I would have voted for it (not you).  I've done that multiple times for other answers (not tutors) on WyzAnt Answers forum.
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06/19/15

Meira P.

Just tried to vote for us, got you and discovered I can't get me too! LOL.  Each of our answers is valid.
 
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06/19/15

David W.

Well, I'll take that as a "thumbs down"  (just kidding)  (there must be someone else voting  -- I'm not Trump, so I cant afford to pay people to cheer and I'm not Clinton so I can't afford to pay for votes and I'm not ... oops, better stop now.)
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06/19/15

David W.

I’ve looked at some web resources on multiple-choice questions and have found a book and web site that has lots of information to help you:

Multiple Choice Secrets, by Complete Test Preparation

http://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Choice-Secrets-Increase-Score/dp/1477539883/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434732246&sr=8-1&keywords=multiple-choice+tests
 
http://www.test-preparation.ca/
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06/19/15

David W.

I’ve looked at some web resources on multiple-choice questions and have found a book and web site that has lots of information to help you (actually, Amazon has lots of book under “multiple-choice tests)”):

Multiple Choice Secrets, by Complete Test Preparation

http://www.amazon.com/Multiple-Choice-Secrets-Increase-Score/dp/1477539883/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1434732246&sr=8-1&keywords=multiple-choice+tests
 
http://www.test-preparation.ca/
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