
Stanton D. answered 03/07/22
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Hi Mehmet K.,
It's a little difficult to "read between the lines" on your question. But, yes, when you are talking diffusion, total pressures don't matter, partial pressure of each individual species does matter. So, although oxygen is diffusing both directions through the rubber balloon membrane, the NET movement of the oxygen is from the higher-partial-pressure-in-oxygen (outside) to the lower-partial-pressure-in-oxygen (inside). And eventually the CO2 inside will diffuse out, but more slowly (goes by (MW)-0.5 , where MW is molecular weight of the molecule or atom in question).
That's why, when rubber balloons are inflated with He gas, they rapidly lose bouyancy, even though they don't appear to lose much volume. The He diffuses out, and N2 diffuses in, with some small loss of net volume.
Now -- since this is contraintuitive -- you expect mass movement from higher total pressure to lower total pressure, don't you? What is going on? The answer is, the scale size of the orifice (the pores in the rubber). For a larger orifice, mass flow dominates, the way you expect. For smaller orifices, in which the movement of individual molecules is more limited by interactions directly with the walls than by interactions with adjoining gas molecules, diffusion dominates. The speeds of the molecules are what is limiting. Kabish?
Now here's an interesting problem for you. A helium-filled balloon (in air) is bouyant, right? But where, exactly, does the net upwards force on the balloon arise from? (Don't just say, bouyancy, I want an argument based on pressures exerted by gas molecules!)
-- Cheers, --Mr. d.
Mehmet K.
Hi Mr. D, Thank you so much for your answer. What I read was completely against what I had known, so it was a little difficult for me to accept :) But I still don't understand how mass transfer can occur in both ways simultaneously. I feel like the gas escaping the balloon should block the pores so the oxygen outside still shouldn't be able to get in due to the gas coming out the very same pores, even though there's a partial pressure gradient. What I understand from your answer is that the total pressure doesn't matter at all, even the reason of the intention of the gas inside to go out is the partial pressure gradient. But I still don't get how that can happen in both ways. As for the problem you asked; As air outside acts an even pressure outside the balloon surface, the less dense pressurized Helium molecules tend to rise and push the balloon upwards from inside.03/08/22