Ross T.

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bacteria reproduces from 1 to 2. under ideal conditions bacteria reproduce every 20 minutes. find the constant k

bacteria divides from 1 to 2 . some reproduce every 20 minutes. find the constant k

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Sarah W. answered • 01/28/16

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Sanhita M.

Where do we have number of bacteria represented by Aekt? What are the definition of A, k and t in this expression? How do we know that the definition of k and t are same in expression Aekt and the given problem?
Why suddenly Aekt has been transformed to ekt? Where is the relevant equation that is true for all values of t, the interval of time in which the Bacteria reproduce?
What are the logical premises of all these expressions and equations?
Besides if k is about 0.035 how can we use a symbol of equality, viz., "="?
 
 
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Sanhita M.

"If we're representing the number of bacteria at any time as 2kt, k would have to be 1/20 or 0.05. (Notice how the time is related to the exponent in each of the lines above. You have to divide it by 20 to get the exponent.)"- Why are we representing the number of bacteria at any time as 2kt? And how k would have to be 1/20 or 0.05. ? Why one have to divide it by 20 to get the exponent?
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Sanhita M.

"It's more often that I see people working with that exponential growth model though that uses e." Is it a justification of the calculation?
eis base of Natural Logarithm and is a mathematical constant and is an irrational number which means it cannot be defined as ratio of two integers (whole numbers), and transcendental which means this  it cannot be a root of a non-zero polynomial equation with rational co-efficients. 
Anything increasing exponentially or decreasing exponentially means that the measurement of change of that thing is in geometric progression which means from initial to final measurements if intermediate measurements of change are obtained at equal intervals the rate of change between equal intervals will be the same ratio.  The measurement of such change may or may not be expressed with a base e. 
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Sarah W.

Exponential growth problems are often represented as a function in terms of t in the form
 
f(t) = Aekt 
 
Where A is the initial population, and k is a constant that determines the rate at which that population reproduces. I rewrote Aekt as ekt because I assumed that my initial amount was 1 and it doubled. 
 
It wouldn't effect how I would find k though, if I didn't make an assumption about the initial amount. I could use
 
Aekt and say that at t = 20, the population is twice what it initially was.
 
So Ae20k = 2A
 
Then I would solve for k in the same manner.
 
When I did it using a function in the form of f(t) = 2kt I got the same result. k was different, but that was because I was using 2 instead of e as the base of my exponential. "Why are we representing the number of bacteria at any time as 2kt?" Why not? Does that not work?
 
I got the same k as you when I did that.
 
Comparing the two models, they seem to work out the same.
 
In answer to your question to why I'm using Aekt at all I don't really have a great answer. That's how I've always seen exponential growth modeled as a function of time in texts. If I look at why it's presented that way in a text I have, it says something like real life situations of uninhibited bacteria growth are closely modeled by that function.
 
The point where I said " = about 0.035" I rounded. Even if I put = (all ten digits my calculator spit out when I did that calculation) it would be a rounded answer instead of an exact answer. Notation on this site is kind of limited. I guess I could have found a squirrely little wavy equal sign first, but I just took it for granted that I would be understood when I wrote it that way. 
 
 
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Sarah W.

I wish I had seen that you had answered this before I clicked that save answer button. We must have answered this at the same time.
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Sanhita M.

thanks for the responses. 
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Sanhita M. answered • 01/28/16

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Sarah W.

Oh, yeah. You did something completely different...I just saw you going about it with powers of two and assumed we did the same thing.
 
If it takes some amount of time, t, for a quantity to double, then the time the population is at 2x if it started at 1 would be xt, wouldn't it? I'm not adding the intervals together. After t has passed, I have 2. After another t has passed, I have 4, after another t has passed I have 8...so the x in xt should match the exponent. 
 
If I'm finding the average rate of change of the bacteria between time 0 and xt that would be (2x - 1)/xt.
 
(2x+1-2)/[tx(x+1)]     How is this constant over all constraints being changed? What is meant by that? Why do you pick t = 20 minutes and x = 2 to crunch out your k? Furthermore, why are you adding all the time intervals? 
 
We know that the population increases exponentially, so any rate of change you're finding for it isn't going to be constant under all constraints, unless I'm not understanding what you're meaning by "rate of increase". 
 
I think this is probably why it's often modeled as f(t) = Aekt actually. This is something that's easy to differentiate. And then I can find the rate of increase at any time to be f'(t) = kAekt
 
Well, I know that I'm not understanding what you're doing.
 
Thanks for the conversation, Sanhita.
 
 
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