Steven C.

asked • 11/14/15

Unsolvable? You have 12 balls.... Word. Problem /riddle

Unsolvable? You have 12 balls, all looking the same. One is lighter OR heavier. You have a balance scale to discern weight . You are allowed to weigh 3 times, after which you have to name the ball. Help?

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David W. answered • 11/14/15

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Steven C.

You all are why I love the collected brain of the Internet.   Thanks you so much David for that dizzying and awesome answer.  I need to sit down and write it out,  my brain hurts.  
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David W.

Sorry, the second "1b" should be "1c."
 
If you write this as a spreadsheet or table with 27 rows, it looks like an outline.  Each box represents one of the 27 outcomes.  There is also nice drawing software for such diagramming.
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Steven C.

I am actually writing it out in a tree diagram so I can see what it looks like. You have a stronger mind than I my friend. Thank you again for your help
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Steven C.

Thx Arthur,  only problem is,  how do you know apon balancing whether the odd ball is heavier,  or lighter.   You couldn't just tell from weighing as it could be either,  right? 
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Steven C.

The 2nd weighing is for nil. It will be off balance, but we don’t know why.  
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Arthur D.

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Steven, you would have to know from the beginning before any weighings whether the odd ball is heavier or lighter, otherwise you couldn't determine the odd ball in just 3 weighings, even if the first weighing was not balanced. You would not know which 3 balls to work with for the second weighing.
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Steven C.

Exactly,  that's why I'm having such a hard time.  So with the current limited  info,  would you say that it's unsolvable?  
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Arthur D.

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I would say it's unsolvable in only 3 weighings if you don't know from the beginning whether the ball is heavier or lighter.
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Steven C.

Hummm..... Thanks for your help,  and certainly no offense to mark.   Happy for the help.  
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Mark M. answered • 11/14/15

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Steven C.

Nice try Mark,  but no.   See above... Thanks for trying though.  
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Arthur D.

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Steven, Mark's solution is correct just like mine as long as you know that the odd ball is either heavier or lighter.
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Arthur D.

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Mark just assumed the odd ball was heavier. It doesn't matter whether it's heavier or lighter, as long as you know from the beginning. If the ball is lighter, Mark would have selected the lighter group and proceeded from there.
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