Asked • 08/20/23

Don't summed (polynomial roots)^2=(b^2)-2c always and if (b^2)-2c<0, then

given polynomial f(x)=xn+bx(n-1)+cx(n-2)+an-3x(n-3)+...a1x+a0 ,,,,coefficients to xk all real numbers

k=0,n integers


have n roots xr,1,xr,2,...xr,n


it is not hard to show sum (xr,i)2=b2-2c where i is increased from 1 to n

for n=2,,,,xr12+xr22=b2-2c always


therefore if b2-2c<0 then at least two xr.i are complex for all f(x) as given.


Is there any polynomial that contradicts this claim?

f(x)=x3+bx2+cx+d ---- -if b2-2c<0 then there cannot be three real number roots

f(x)=x4+bx3+cx2+dx+e ---- if b2-2c<0 then at most two roots are real numbers

etc.

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Mark M. answered • 08/20/23

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Dayv O.

,,,,,,,for n=2, the simple way to derive formula is just square ((-b/2)+((b^2-4c))^(1/2))/2) and add to squared ((-b/2)-((b^2-4c))^(1/2))/2)=b^2-2c. Higher order proof is really not that hard. Now, do you know of any polynomial contradicting the claim about (b^2)-2c<0 implying at least two roots are complex?
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08/21/23

Dayv O.

(x-4)(x+5)=x^2+x-20,,,,b^2-2*c=41=4^2+5^2,,for example,,,demonstrated n=-2
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08/21/23

Dayv O.

f(x)=(x-(1+2i))(x-(1-2i))=x^2-x(1-2i)-x(1+2i)+(1+2i)(1-2i)=x^2-2x+5.,,,b^2-2c=(-)6. (1+2i)^2+(1-2i)^2=1-4+1-4=-6,,,demonstrated n=2
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08/21/23

Dayv O.

can you demonstrate the claim is wrong for n=2 or n=3?
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08/21/23

Roger R.

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The relation is a straightforward consequence of the distributive property. Expand (x−x₁)(x−x₂)⋅ ... ⋅(x−xₙ) and collect the terms (−xₖ)⋅x^(n−1) and (−xₕ)(−xₖ)⋅x^(n−2) where h < k to find b = g(x₁,x₂,...,xₙ) and c = h(x₁,x₂,...,xₙ). Then calculate b²−2c (expand the square).
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08/22/23

Dayv O.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,agree, in any 1*x^n polynomial as described, b= (-) (xroot1+...+xrootn). Then expand with b^2. Also in any 1*x^n polynomial as described, c= the sum of roots multiplied in pairs. Now xroot1^2+....+xrootn^2=b^2-2c.
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08/22/23

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