Olivia W.

asked • 07/06/22

Physics question



A point moves with simple harmonic motion whose period is 4 s. If it starts from rest

at a distance 4.0 cm from the centre of its path, find the time that elapses before it has

described 2 cm and the velocity it has then acquired. How long will the point take to reach

the centre of its path?

BRUCE S.

This Bruce S. Unfortunately, I am sorry to did not address some pertinent information in my discussion of this problem. The student should be cognizant of this information when dealing with trigonometric function like sine(angle). I overlooked this initially and that led to an error in the calculated values. In my expression: ArcSin (1 / 2) / 1.57 = t it is important to note that there are at least TWO angles satisfying this equation. One angle is 30° which is in the first 90° quadrant of a single oscillation but the another is at 30° plus 90° = 120°. The arctan(120°) = 0.581. The time between the object's motionless start at 90° and the position at amplitude 0 cm in the second 90° quadrant is given by: 1.57 * t = arcsin(90°) - arcsin(120°) 1.57 * t = 1.00 - 0.581 = 0.419 t = 0.419 / 1.57 t = 0.267 seconds Note: There are some small differences in the significant figures calculated values in this and my original submission. t=0.267 must be now used to calculate the Second Answer for the velocity at t=0.267 (see the second setup) and the remaining time to reach A(t=2seconds) (see the Third Answer). The revised answers are: VELOCITY A(t) = a*sin(ω*t) V(t) = d/dt (a*sin(ω*t) = d/dt (a * sin( 2π * 1/f *t) ) V(t) = a * cos ( 2π * 1/f * T ) * ( 2π * 1/f ) Where T is 0.25 sec + 0.267seconds. The object is on the downward cycle of the first half of the period and the velocity will negative! T= 0.517 seconds. At T=0.517 V(0.517) = 4 * cos ( 2 * 3.14 * 0.25 * 0.517) * (2 * 3.14 * 0.25 ) V(T=0.517) = 4 * cos (0.811) * 1.57 (0.811 radians) * (360°) / 2π) = 46.53° & cos (46.53°)= -0.8287 V(T=0.517) = 4 * (-0.8287) * 1.57 V(T=0.517) = -5.20 cm / second THIRD ANSWER: TIME FORM A(T=0.267 seconds) TO A(T=2 seconds) The object is on the downward cycle of the first half of the period. In other wards on the downward slope of the second quarter cycle of the motion. That quarter cycle takes 1 second in total (Period = 4 sec). It has completed 0.267 second of that quarter cycle so 1.000 seconds - 0.267 seconds = 0.733 seconds remaining to reach the bottom of the second quarter cycle. That point is the midpoint of the full oscillation cycle and is at 0cm amplitude. Again, sorry for the initial solution error. It sometimes helps to sleep on a problem overnight. Extra: The student may want to calculate the object's velocity as it passes through 0 cm at the cycle's equilibrium point, (t=2 seconds). That velocity magnitude should be significantly larger than the previous V(T=0.517) as a check for "resonable results". BTW: Is that velocity positive or negative?
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07/07/22

BRUCE S.

ugh...I had this nicely formatted but it cam out mashed together...should have put it in the solutions section BDS
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David B.

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The question states that the point mass starts from rest at x=4, which means t=0 is at the maximum displacement position. The equation x(t) = A sin(ωt) is used if t=0 is at the equilibrium position. To avoid including a phase angle, the equation x(t) = A cos(ωt) can be used. For the first part, x(t) = A cos(ωt), gives a time of 2/3 s to go from x=4 to x=2. For the second part, the equation would be V(t) = -Aω sin(ωt), with t=2/3 s. This gives a velocity of -5.4 cm/s. For the third part, the time is 1/3 s to go from x=2 to x=0.
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08/19/22

Grigoriy S.

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It does not matter what function to use - sin or cos. The phase difference between them is pi/2. I do not understand why do we need to avoid the inclusion of the initial phase. All depends on the choice of t =0. We can choose to measure time from instance when x = 0 or when the body was at the extremity of the motion. What is important - the general method of the solution of the problem.
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08/19/22

David B.

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You don't need to avoid using the phase angle, but you didn't use it in your solution, so you got the wrong times (they were swapped because you started timing from x=0 instead of x= maximum displacement), and you didn't get the negative direction for the velocity.
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08/21/22

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David B.

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The question states that the point mass starts from rest at x=4, which means t=0 is at the maximum displacement position. The equation x(t) = A sin(ωt) is used if t=0 is at the equilibrium position. To avoid including a phase angle, the equation x(t) = A cos(ωt) can be used. For the first part, x(t) = A cos(ωt), gives a time of 2/3 s to go from x=4 to x=2. For the second part, the equation would be V(t) = -Aω sin(ωt), with t=2/3 s. This gives a velocity of -5.4 cm/s. For the third part, the time is 1/3 s to go from x=2 to x=0.
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08/19/22

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