Francis A.

asked • 08/15/16

How to make a pattern that can be both arithmetic and geometric sequence

Can it be possible to draw a pattern that can be both arithmetic and geometric?

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Neal D. answered • 08/15/16

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Michael W.

I was trying to think of weird cases that might work.
 
Isn't 3, 3, 3, 3, 3...both an arithmetic sequence and a geometric sequence?
 
I either add zero to each term (so it's an arithmetic sequence with a common difference of 0) or multiply by 1 (so it's a geometric sequence with a common ratio of 1).  Is there a technical rule that says this is no good?
 
 
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08/15/16

Mark M.

Your example does satisfy the conditions of both. Therefore it is both! Bravo!
Continue questioning the rules on how the rules are made. This shall lead to a deeper understanding.
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08/15/16

Neal D.

Since the terms of a geometric sequence can be modeled by an exponential function,
its equation is similar to that of an exponential  function, quite possibly just different 
letters:
 
SEQUENCE:  y = arn   ;  a= 1st term, r =ratio,  n = # of term
 
EXPONENTIAL:     y = abx  ;    a = y-intercept, b = base,  x = # of times multiplied
 
By definition: The b in the exponential function:   b > 0 and b ≠ 1
 
Since the b and the r are basically the same, then the r in the geometric sequence
has the same restrictions as the b in the exponential function,
 
Therefor:   3, 3, 3, 3, 3, 3,...... would not be an exponential function or a geometric
                                               expression as its r = 1
 
 
 
 
 
 
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08/15/16

Michael W.

Neal, I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing any reliable sources online that say that the common ratio in a geometric sequence can't be 1.  I understand that you can use an exponential function to model a geometric sequence, so maybe "b" can't be 1 if you think of it that way...but you don't have to use an exponential function. That's not the formal definition of a geometric sequence. 
 
If I'm missing something, and you have a formal definition of a geometric sequence somewhere that says that "r" can't be 1, then I'm off the mark.
 
So, to Francis' original question, I think a constant sequence, like 3 3 3 3 3...is both arithmetic and geometric.
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08/16/16

Neal D.

I will get the book out and get the definition!
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08/16/16

Neal D.

All that I see is that the multiplier is the common ratio between any two terms of a geometric sequence, if ratio < 1 then the sequence decreases and if ratio > 1 then the sequence increases.
 
I believe that some books refer to the geometric sequence:   3, 3, 3, 3, 3, .... as the TRIVIAL CASE
 
I have basically exhausted my EXPERT SOURCES on this problem!
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08/16/16

Michael W.

Well, trivial or otherwise, it sounds like having a common ratio of 1 is fine, so a sequence where the same number is repeated over and over again, technically, is a valid geometric sequence.
 
And, as an arithmetic sequence, the common difference would be zero if we repeat the same number over and over again.
 
So, there ya go.  A weird answer, but it works.
 
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