Jennifer D.

asked • 05/27/15

How did they get the numerator and denominator in this beast of a question?

The question starts with this poem and I've been able to work it to the point at the bottom. My question is in the last equation at the bottom of this post, how on Earth did they come up with 25 for the numerator and 28 for the denominator? I have tried everything I can think of to figure it out and I'm stuck. Please help!

"Here lies Diophantus," the wonder behold . . .
Through art algebraic, the stone tells how old:
"God gave him his boyhood one-sixth of his life,
One twelfth more as youth while whiskers grew rife;
And then yet one-seventh ere marriage begun;
In five years there came a bouncing new son.
Alas, the dear child of master and sage
After attaining half the measure of his fathers life
chill fate took him.
After consoling his fate by this science of numbers
for four years, he ended his life."

Find Diophantus' age at death.

My first task is to "translate" the poetry from the headstone into practical terms:
"Boyhood" can stand for pre-adolscent childhood; he spent one-sixth of his life in this period. Copyright © Elizabeth Stapel 2000-2011 All Rights Reserved
"Youth while whiskers grew" can stand for pubescence (the teenage years, into young adulthood); he spent one-twelfth of his life in this period.
"Ere marriage began" can stand for "unmarried adulthood" or "bachelorhood"; he spent one-seventh of his life in this period.
He had five years between the wedding and the time his first child was born.
Tragically, this child died young, living only half as long as his father eventually would; looked at the other way, half of Diophantus' life was spent while his child was alive.
Diophantus died four years after burying his child.




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I will let d stand for Diophantus' age at death. Then:

childhood: d/6
adolescence: d/12
bachelorhood: d/7
childless marriage: 5
age of child at death: d/2
life after child's death: 4

His whole life had been divided into intervals which, when added together, give the sum of his life. So I'll add the lengths of those periods, set their sum equal to his (as-yet unknown) total age, and solve:

d/6 + d/12 + d/7 + 5 + d/2 + 4 = d
( 25/28 )d + 9 = d

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Will M. answered • 05/28/15

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David W.

Yikes !
 
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when ambiguity
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05/28/15

Jennifer D.

Hence why I called it a beast of a question. I was able to interpret it from poetry into math properly, but I think the author has a sick sense of humor and hates students. LOL
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David W. answered • 05/28/15

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Jennifer D.

Thank you for answering, but I'm still stuck and I'm not sure why. This is the part I'm stuck on:
 
Finding prime factors is an easy way to do this:
6 has prime factors 2,3
12 has prime factors 2,2,3
7 has prime factors 7
2 has prime factors 2

The HCF has prime factors 2,2,3,7 (the smallest set that contains all of the above)
And 2 * 2 * 3 * 7 = 84

So,
d * (14 +7 + 12 + 42) / 84 + 9 = d
(25/28)d + 9 = d
 
I understand factoring out to find the common denominator and this is how I have them lined up:
6:   2  3
12: 223
7:        7
2:  2
 
From my understanding (please correct me if I'm wrong), two of the 2's cancel because they are a pair and line up, but shouldn't the 3's also cancel for the same reason? (I did check the math you gave with the set and it's clearly right, but I'm trying to figure out why the 3's don't cancel and why only one shows up in the set.)
 
The other part I'm stuck on is where you came up with the numbers for the numerator? Can you explain that please?
 
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05/28/15

David W.

I really appreciate questions from students who are learning !

You seem to have factoring into prime factors (note: 1 is not a prime number) down pretty well.  The question seems to be in finding the HCF for the denominator and then calculating the numerators.

Let’s first use variables (algebra will do that a lot!).  If we have already factored three denominators into their prime factors and have the sets of (a,b,c), (b,c,d) and (a,a,b) we must find the smallest superset that contains all the elements contained in these three sets.  That will be (a,a,b,c) – check it out.   There must be one of every letter, there must be two a’s because the third subset has two a’s, etc.   Now, multiply to get the LCD  = a*a*b*c.

The new term is found by multiplying the old term by 1 (well, actually, a*a*b*c/a*a*b*c) so we can group numerators all over a common denominator.  This is where the cancelling part comes in – not before.    If the original fraction is a/b then we have a*(a*a*b*c)/b*(a*a*b*c) and we know that the old b will cancel out (because we used it to get a*a*b*c) and we stop cancelling now because we want the new denominator to be a*a*b*c (because it’s the new, common one).  What’s the new numerator?  We are left with (a*a*a*c / a*a*b*c).  The same process with the other terms.

Now, back to our problem.  The first term is d/6.  The common denominator is 84=2*2*3*7.  So, the first term is:
     d*(2*2*3*7 ) / 6*(2*2*3*7) 
     d*(2*2*3*7) / (2*3) *(2*2*3*7)
      d *14  / (2*2*3*7)

Now – you can easily do the others, add the numerators, and proceed with confidence!
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05/28/15

David W.

Oops, if you checked it out, you would find that I made a typo.   The superset is (a,a,b,c,d) !!
(full disclosure:  I flunked out of college AND graduated with honors   --  true story).
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05/28/15

Jennifer D.

Thank you so much! I completely understand now and realize where I was going wrong. Truthfully, I don't expect either of the exams I'm studying for (math placement and PCAT) to have a question THIS bad but I wanted to understand it just in case plus if there's a much smaller but similar problem, now I know how to handle it. :)
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05/29/15

Ken T.

It seems to me that no one clearly explained where the 25/28 came from. Once the fractional coefficients of d were added using the common denominator 84 the result was 75/84. To simplify the fraction the numerator and denominator need to be divided by their common factor, 3. 75/3 = 25, and 84/3 = 28. This is the source for 25/28 in the equation.
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