Jacob L.

asked • 07/29/17

Why don't you use the distributive property when calculating 6/2(1+2)

This equation i an example, for the concept is the same regardless of the numberS:
 
6/2(1+2)
 
If following the order of operations, the equation calculates like this:
 
6/2(1+2)
6/2(3)
you can now implicitly remove the parenthesis and write the equation as:
6/2*3
division and multiplicati are considered equal so you would sold left to right:
3*3
9
 
However, if using the distributive property the equation calculates as follows:
 
6/2(1+2)
6/(2+4)
6/6
1
 
Now my question is, where is the delineation between the two? In what context or real world situation would 9 be the correct answer and in what context ot real world situation would 1 be the correct answer?
 
 

Arturo O.

Similar problems to this have been posted during the last few weeks, and I noticed about half of the tutors would say
 
6/2(1+2) = 6/2(3) = (6÷2)3 = (3)3 = 9,
 
and about half would say that
 
6/2(1+2) = 6/2(3) = 6÷[2(3)] = 6÷6 = 1
 
I also noticed that usually, the the tutors who mention PEMDAS in their answers prefer the former, while the rest prefer the latter.  But I also noticed that some tutors assert that application of PEMDAS produces the latter.  You may have seen some of these postings.  I am concerned that students are receiving conflicting guidance.  (As for me, I like to parenthesize liberally, to leave no room for misinterpretation of the problem.)  If students are required to learn and apply PEMDAS, the tutors need to explain it correctly in their answers.  However, about half of the answers posted the last few weeks do not, since they cannot both be right.
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07/29/17

Arturo O.

How can we address the above?  I am asking for the students' sake, to avoid confusing students who are already challenged in math.  I am not interested in an online duel among tutors.
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07/29/17

Douglas K.

Answer is --- 1 --- The expression 2(1+2) is a product, and should be treated such. Otherwise it should have/would have been written as . 6 ÷ 2*(1+2) )

Calculating using Wolfram: Wolfram and Google don't recognize products, and thus won't know that 2(1+2) is a product unless you tell them when you enter the data. So for Wolfram to calculate the value of 6 ÷ 2(1+2) correctly, you need to key it as 6÷( 2(1+2))

PROOF: 2(1+2)=6; divide both sides by 2(1+2) and we get 1 = 6 ÷ 2(1+2).

Real world proof: "I'm making a frame that's 1 foot by 2 feet. I'll need 2 short pieces and 2 long pieces - 2(1+2). How many frames can I make with 6 feet of board? 1 and only 1

Morale: Calculators do exactly what you tell them to do. If you give them garbage, they'll give it right back to you. That's why so many people believe the answer is 9. It is up to you, the operator, to

Understand the problem and the data you will be entering;
Enter data correctly, and
Compare the answers received against real world results.
 
Use PEDMAS, by all means, but use it carefully, and check your results against the real world. In the carpentry example above, if PEDMAS tells you that you can get 9 sets of frames out of 6 feet of wood, you're doing something very wrong!
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08/31/18

David W.

When the expression 6/2(1+2) is written on one line, the "*" in the product is implied, so this is indeed:
                              6/2*(1+2)
 
With full parentheses, this is:     (6/2)*(1+2)
                                               (3)*(1+2)          D is first L->R in PEMDAS because M & D have same precedence]
                                                 3*(1+2)           Now, P is first
                                                 3*(3)               Evaluate expression inside Parentheses
                                                 3*3                  Remove Parentheses
                                                   9                   Result
  Note:  After each replacement, the L-->R scan restarts from the current beginning point.
 
It is VERY DIFFERENT to write the expression on two lines:
 
      6
 -----------
 2(1+2)
                 
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08/31/18

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Mark M. answered • 07/29/17

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David W.

What happened to (1+2)?
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07/29/17

Mark M.

Just found it! Shall edit.
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07/29/17

Bobby H.

You used the Distributive Property incorrectly. 6/2(1+2) equals 6/(2+4) using the Distributive Property. The denominator/divisor is clearly 2(1+2)
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03/15/21

Isaac L.

This equation has no correct answer. You see 2 ways to distribute (6/2)(1) + 6/2(2) 3+6=9 and 6/(2(1)+2(2)) 6(2+4)=1
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08/09/22

Andrew W.

Bobby H., you are using the Distributive Property wrong. You seem to have forgotten the rule that you can distribute an outside number ONLY if: 1) the outside number is alone 2) the outside number has an operation of '+' or '-' attached to it. The Distributive Property can NOT be used if the outside number has something being multiplied or divided with it; that multiplication or division MUST be resolved FIRST.
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02/09/24

Robert S.

I would love to see the rule that says the Distributive property can't be used if the outside factor has something multiplied or divided with it.
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10/26/24

Robert S.

Also the Distributive property says you multiply a factor with .... Fractions are not factors. 6/2 is in fractal form. The solidus is a fraction bar, when dealing with fraction bars the numerator and denominator are both concidered to be in implied parentheses so what property separated the 2 from the (3) to bring it out of the denominator. And don't say order of operations, it isn't a rule, it is a convention.
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10/26/24

Shawn W.

Robert S. - You are exactly right! PEMDAS Order Of Operations is merely a convention/mnemonic while the Distributive Property is an actual law, and laws trump conventions all day and all night (no pun intended). This means that anytime anything fitting the any of the four properties of mathematics is found in an equation matching the following: 1. Associative: Addition: a + b = b + a Multiplication: a × b = b × a 2. Commutative: Addition: (a + b) + c = a + (b + c) Multiplication: (a × b) × c = a × (b × c) 3. Distributive: Addition: a(b + c) = ab + ac Subtraction: a(b - c) = ab - ac or ab + ⁻ac 4. Identity: Additive: a + 0 = a Multiplicative: a × 1 = a Any and all such instances of any of those four properties, found in a given problem, must be firstly and immediately satisfied without exception, before anything else whatsoever occurs, as laws in mathematics are never optional, and everything else, including the PEMDAS Order Of Operations convention, is beneath any and all laws of mathematics which, therefore, means it does not and cannot come until afterward. Any time expressions fitting any of the four laws are seen in a math problem or equation, it is automatically understood, with no proof needed, that any and all instances of those expressions in that problem, must have all of those laws applied first before anything else whatsoever occurs. Because PEMDAS Order Of Operations is not a law, and is underneath any and all laws, it comes after, and only after, any and all instances of laws appearing in the problem or equation have been fully satisfied. There can be no clear direction without clear governance, and the laws of math are what govern everything underneath them so, as such, the PEMDAS Order Of Operations convention, among other things, has no clear and proper direction without clear and proper governance from the laws of math directing how to correctly execute it from start to finish. The mathematicians who came up with mathematics laid all of this out hundreds of years ago, which still has not ever changed, and it still is exactly the same today as it was when it was first laid out. You understand it and got it right!
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03/20/25

Tina M.

One of the main rules of the distributive property is that you have to get the same answer, regardless if you use the property or not. When you solve this equation without using the distribution property and don't distribute the 2, you get 9 as the answer. When you use the distribution property & distribute the 2, you 1 as the answer. That tells you that you do not distribute the 2. If the equation was written as 2(1 + 2) ÷ 6, you can distribute the 2 because you get the same answer regardless if you distribute the 2 or not. Not distributing the 2 2(1 + 2) ÷ 6 (1 + 2) = 3 2(3) = 6 6 ÷ 6 = 1 Distributing the 2 2(1 + 2) = (2 x 1) + (2 x 2) = 2 + 4 2 + 4 = 6 6 ÷ 6 = 1 The distributive property only applies when a single term is multiplying a sum or difference, not when the outside term is part of a prior multiplication or division. 1. You don't use the distributive property if there is multiplication or division inside the parentheses 2. You don't use the distruibitive property when the equation has unsolved multiplication or division attached to the number outside the parentheses
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07/23/25

David W. answered • 07/29/17

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Andrew W.

There is no ambiguity here; only a forgotten rule about when the Distributive Property can be used. Many people seem to have forgotten the rule that you can distribute an outside number ONLY if: 1) the outside number is alone 2) the outside number has an operation of '+' or '-' attached to it. The Distributive Property can NOT be used if the outside number has something being multiplied or divided with it; that multiplication or division MUST be resolved FIRST.
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02/09/24

Robert S.

I agree all the way up to the expression that contains the obelus. The reason I disagree has to do with the substitution property of equality. It says if 2 expressions are equal they can be substituted in any expression and it will remain equal. 2(2+1)=6=3(1+1) so how does 6÷2(2+1)=9 while 6÷3(1+1)=4 im sorry but doesn't a property over ride a convention?
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10/26/24

Shawn W.

Robert S. - You are absolutely right. Laws are the governance of mathematics which provide the clear direction for everything else below them, and anytime and every time you see any instances of expressions in a problem or equation which match one or more of the 4 properties in mathematics, which all 4 of these properties are laws that are not optional and have no exceptions whatsoever, (the associative, commutative, distributive, and identity properties), you must firstly and immediately apply all of those laws, appearing in the problem or equation, before anything else whatsoever can be permitted to occur. PEMDAS Order Of Operations is a convention, and not a law, which means it is underneath the laws which govern and direct it’s correct execution from start to finish so it cannot and does not get touched until all applicable laws have been fully and completely satisfied.
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03/20/25

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