Carissa R.
asked 10/04/16Implicit Differentiation - Calculus
Need to find slope of tangent line to curve 5(x^2 + y^2)^2 = 169(x^2-y^2) at point (3,-2) . It is implicit differentiation but I keep getting the wrong value at 3,-2. I'm not sure if I am isolating the y' correctly. Anyone want to take a shot?
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Doug C. answered 10/04/16
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I think the correct answer to this problem is -9/46.
It is a matter of personal choice whether to expand the binomial or try some other technique.
I rewrote the equation as:
(x2+y2)2/(x2 - y2) = 169/5
Now I used the quotient rule (differentiating implicitly). Notice that the right side becomes 0.
Truthfully it gets fairly messy, but after the quotient rule and multiplying both sides of the equation by the denominator on the left side, dividing out some common factors, factoring out y' etc, this is what I ended with:
y' = [x(x2 + y2) - 2x(x2 - y2)] / [2y(x2-y2) +y(x2+y2)]
y'(3,-2) = -9/46 (-0.195652173913)
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Quite sure. No polar form yet, just implicit differentiation. Someone asked about right answer , not sure just know mine are wrong (online hwk grading)
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Doug C.
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Here is proof that -1/8 is the correct answer, https://www.desmos.com/calculator/zvyelnx2rm although Wyzant might disapprove this comment because it contains a link:
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We have 5(x² + y²)² = 169 (x² - y²) so this evaluates to:
5(x4 + 2x²y² + y4) = 169x² - 169y²
5x4 + 10x²y² + 5y4 = 169x² - 169y² Now, we are ready for implicit differentiation.
20x³ + 10x² (2yy') + y²(20x) + 20y³y' = 338x - 338yy'
20x²yy' + 20y³y' + 338yy' = 338x - 20x³ - 20xy²
y'(20x²y + 20y³ + 338y) = 338x - 20x³ - 20xy²
y' = (338x - 20x³ - 20xy²)/(20x²y + 20y³ + 338y)
When I evaluate this at the point (3, -2), I get 234/156 = 117/78 = 39/26 = 3/2.
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Lets take this one step at a time.
First, we can expand the terms to get rid of parentheses.
5(x4 + 2x2y2 + y4) = 169x2 - 169y2
5x2 + 10x2y2 + 5y4 = 169x2 - 169y2
Now we can differentiate both sides of the equation.
10x + 20xy2 + 20x2yy' + 20y3y' = 338x - 338yy'
Did you end up with this at this point? If so, move all the y' terms to the left side of the equation. Move all the non-y' terms to the right side.
20x2yy' + 20y3y' + 338yy' = -10x - 20xy2 + 338x
Factor out y' on the right side.
y' (20x2y + 20y3 + 338y) = 338x - 20xy2 - 10x
Next, divide both sides of the equation by the coefficient of y'. After that, evaluate y' when x=3 and y=-2 as the last step. I leave it to you to finish up here.
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